I am trying to connect my Yamaha Clavinova keyboard (master) with the Aeros (slave) both through MIDI and audio.
My goal is to record some audio tracks from the keyboard arranger (styles) while having the Aeros clock in MIDI sync and responding to start/stop messages.
I can then solo over (badly!) or add overdubs to this track.
Here is what I observe:
After connecting the MIDI cable (keyboard OUT into Aeros IN), in the Aeros song panel, the “MIDI sync” value is always showing “off”. When I connect the BB instead, it moves to “on”.
When I change the tempo on the keyboard (before starting the recording), the tempo value is not changing automatically in the Aeros song panel. Again, this works fine with the BB.
When I start playing on the keyboard, the recording starts correctly in the Aeros (the start MIDI message goes through) and the bar grid follows the keyboard tempo (even if the Aeros tempo number has not changed and is still showing the inital Aeros tempo). So it seems that the MIDI clock goes through while playing, and that the Aeros is aligning to it.
While playing, the audio record is good and perfectly in line with the displayed bar grid.
When I stop playing on the keyboard, the recording on the Aeros stops as well (good)
When I play the recorded track, the Aeros tempo and visual bars go back automatically to the original tempo (different from the ones shown during the live recording) and the audio chord changes are therefore out of sync with the bars displayed. So I cannot rely on the bars anymore to solo over the recorded track.
For now, my fall back option is to use the freedom mode but that is frustrating.
Is there anything I do wrong?
I can record a video showing the issue if helpful.
Note: Aeros firmware version 3.1.18.
Since the Aeros seems to prefer the BB, you might try putting it between the Clavinova and the Aeros in the midi chain. You wouldn’t need to record or use its audio. Run your midi chain as Clavinova>BB>Aeros. Be sure that BB is configured to receive and transmit clock.
I was getting some erratic behaviors as I forgot to disable the MIDI merge function of the BB, and so some MIDI commands were therefore going from the Clavinova to the Aeros and disturbing the flow.
So now I am getting the best results with the following setup, keeping things very straightforward:
Clavinova -> BB --(no MIDI Merge and no audio)–> Aeros
In particular, only the BB controls the Aeros, and the Clavinova controls the BB.
With this, I can at least do what I wanted initially: control the tempo + start/stop recording from the Clavinova.
Things that still do no work:
See the tempo figure change when not playing, on both the BB and Aeros.
After playing, see the correct tempo figure on the Aeros panel (recording is done with the correct tempo).
Next on the test list: see if I can trigger an Aeros song part change from a Clavinova style part change. That would be great since I could then record an entire song structure from the Clavinova in one go.
Yes, it’s playing back at the correct tempo and bars are correctly displayed and synchronized.
Only the displayed tempo number is wrong, whereas the one on the BB is correctly changed (but only after starting playing from the Clavinova). Strange as the BB is controlling the Aeros. Anyway, not too annoying as long as the recording tempo is OK.
The biggest problem is that the Aeros is showing “Off” while midi sync should be active. If this is the case, it very well could be the setup on your Clavinova, make sure that there is not an internal setting that allows the Aeros to read the clavinova’s clock.
The biggest hint that the issue may be within the clavinova is that the BB is also not responding as expected. Does the BB show a small blinking icon where the tempo is? This shows that the BB is correctly receiving MIDI clock.
Please let me know!
The BB and the Aeros will always adjust if they are listening to MIDI clock correctly. I will also bring up that the Aeros cannot change tempos once it is recorded to, every song must be in a static tempo, the Aeros does not currently support tempo changes either during recording or playback.
If this is the case, it very well could be the setup on your Clavinova
Well, as I said, I gave up trying to connect the Clavinova to the Aeros directly. As @Phil_Flood suggested, I rather put the BB in the middle, to let the Clavinova control the BB (and only the BB), and the BB control the Aeros. Also, I disable the MIDI merge output on the BB, to make sure that no commands from the Clavinova make their way to the Aeros directly.
This simple setup works better, as we know that the BB <-> Aeros MIDI connection works well (obviously).
What I realized today is that if I make a new song on the Aeros, the correct tempo gets propagated and displayed on BB and the Aeros as soon as I start playing (but never before playing, like it does when turning the tempo knob on the BB). As you said, I can see the tempo blink on the BB with a sync sign (double reverse arrows).
However, if I press “Delete all” on the Aeros, without making a new song, and then change the tempo on the Clavinova (to start over the song with a new tempo or style), the new tempo is correctly displayed on the BB but not on the Aeros. This is what I was observing yesterday.
In fact, I suppose that “delete all” just deletes the tracks but keeps some settings of (previous) song. The displayed tempo won’t change then, even if a new recording is done with a different tempo. Bars are aligned correctly, song is ok, but the displayed tempo is not in line with the recording one anymore.
Starting with a fresh song each time makes things better now, and the setup is usable.
Of course, for people not owning a BB (ok they should!), they can have hard time connecting their keyboard/arranger directly to the Aeros. If not restricted correctly, the keyboard can send a lot of MIDI data not useful and even confusing for the Aeros.
It sounds like it could possibly be the way the data is streaming from your Clavinova, I do not experience this issue when working only on the BB and Aeros. It may be worth checking out the behavior of the Clavinova’s MIDI sync and when it is streaming the clock vs. when it isn’t. I’ll ask dev to see what they can say about the issue.
I have a similar issue, I would like the midi clock from my MPC Live to control start, stop, record and play on the loop studio. I have followed the instructions but the midi synch still says off. And such doesn’t seem to work. I sure hope I can solve this issue otherwise I will be returning the Aeros… seems like midi such should just work without hassles
Reply to myself here. It all started working rather nicely. I can start a song on the MPC and the Aeros starts recording and tracks the tempo nicely. I think I just needed to restart the MPC or something.