Outtro fill plays fine in Manager...not on the BB

General Discussion
1

I have edited a beat to change the outtro and in Manager it plays fine but after transferring to the BB card and playing it there, all I get is one beat sounding (as in a single beat) when I press the outtro button on the footswitch.

Can anyone suggest why this is happening? All the correct notes are displayed and play correctly in the manager app, so I am unsure as to why this is happening. And yes, the card has been synchronised.

2

I’d have to see it, but usually when that has happened to me, it’s a note placement issue – either the fill is more than 4+1 beats or there’s nothing in the first beat of the fill. In many cases, I’ve simply accidentally started the pattern in NOT the first beat (I do a lot of editing, and it happens to me pretty regularly, because, apparently, I don’t learn :slight_smile: ).

So:

  • If your outro is more than 4+1 beats: Add 5-10 bars of silence to the end of it, and use it as a pattern instead of an outro. Add no fills and no outro, and you can just stop your BB after it plays the last beat.
  • if your first beat is silent, you can either do what I suggested above, or add a note to the first beat. I often use a hi-hat pedal, because that feels like something a real drummer would do, but any note – with a velocity of “0” if you want it silent – will do.
  • if you’ve accidentally started the outro on anything but the first beat, fix it. :slight_smile:

Let me know if that works for you. If not, I’d probably have to see what you’re doing.

Joe

3

The outro can be any number of measures. There would be no need to have it as a main loop. It is not limited in length.

Before getting too deep into trouble shooting the song, I recommend you check your pedal settings to verify that your “when playing” setting does trigger an outro. I would also try the song with another kit to see what happens. Sometimes BB will not process very short notes, i.e., ,notes that are only a couple of midi ticks in length. Try to verify that your notes are a minimum of 40 ticks, unless you need shorter notes.

4

Thanks guys, I will run those tips and get back and advise.

5

“The outro can be any number of measures.”

Sorry Phil, I’m going to have to disagree here. Anything more than measure length+1 MAY play correctly if you hit the outro EXACTLY right, but more often than not it will not play properly – something gets lost in the translation. And I have not had a lot of luck at all with anything more than measure length+1 generally, timing issues or not.

My suspicion is you have better timing in your feet than I do, and probably slightly different settings regarding the execution timing of the changes, and that may be why we have different experiences. But I can only speak to my experience, and that is that outros kind of need to fit in the box.

6

It might be your cue fill setting. I have mine set to “next measure.” I often design my songs as Prejam, Jam, Coda. The Prejam is the intro. Jam is main loop 1 and Coda goes into Outro. Also, the other Phil does his OPB songs as Null in main loop 1 and whole song in Outro.

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“Next measure” might well be the culprit, because that SHOULD force the outro to start on the 1, regardless of what else is going on. Because I sing, play guitar, drive the drums, and occasionally switch patches, I can’t think that far ahead, so I have mine set to “Immediate.”