Aeros: How to clear a 6x6 Track?

[morselodge]

Yes, confirmed last night. Even in 2.3.1.

-Brian

[Phil_Flood]

So, it seems like 2.3.1 has caused a variety of unexpected problems. And, I am glad I have not yet updated. But, the real question is, how do we prevent this going forward? Many of the problems deal with core functions. What is Singular bothering to test? These kinds of problems cannot be the expected norm going forward, if you want this expensive looper to flourish in this market.

[Euan]

The videos on Youtube often don’t show attempts at doing the things we are trying to do. The one exception is “delete track”, where the Youtube video quite clearly shows tracks being deleted, but my Aeros doesn’t respond like the one in the video. I write software and there’s nothing quite like releasing a beta to a class of avid students to show use cases that I’ve missed. As early purchasers we are essentially beta testers, I think, but you are right, more thorough testing by Singular Sound would surely have indicated that the Aeros wasn’t ready for launching. I am hoping that things can be fixed without any need to return the hardware for updating.

[Euan]

There is a key sequence that allows redoing the last recording or the last overdub, but you can’t clear a track completely. With the track muted, choose overdub if you can. I was successful at this once, but I haven’t learned to do it consistently.

It would be great to be able to delete an entire track.

[Jimmmz]

I could not agree with you both more! Feels like 1 step forward, 2 steps back.

[Euan]

It’s a new, powerful product, and there are teething issues. I don’t mind being a guinea pig, coz I’m sure the outcome will be even better than we imagine.

[Jimmmz]

I get that, and I have zero problem being a beta tester, but then that should be agreed beforehand and the price should be significantly lower, if not free.

[persist]

Microsoft has had us beta testing Windows for years

On a more serious note, if you read back through the forum to its earliest days, you’d probably pick up that the BeatBuddy Manager was initially delivered without a fully working version for the Mac. In that case, patience was rewarded but it was a frustrating wait. Probably safe to say that history is repeating itself.

[Euan]

The new update enables overwriting of a track. When the track is selected, double tap the right hand stomp switch to mute it, then hold the switch down for a few seconds until “record” appears. Then depress the switch in the bar before you wish to start recording.

Thanks, Singular Sound people!

It would be great to be able to completely clear a track without recording something new on it.

[emacs1]

Hi,

I have the latest firmware and this is still a problem. I would like to be able to delete tracks because I often make mistakes where want to recreate my track with either more, or fewer measures. Deleting a track would also avoid having to wait for the track to loop back around before recording. I was able to delete a track, once, when I stopped playback and started again, but it was some ephemeral state and I wasn’t able to delete again after many tries. I’m guessing this is a code regression. I hope it gets some attention. Thanks!

[emacs1]

BTW - You’ve got something funny going on with the dates on the forum posts. My post from 6m ago says Oct 2019 when today is 11/13/2020.

[BrennanSingularSound]

@emacs1

I have the latest firmware and this is still a problem.

Hello, this is most likely going to be fixed by our reworking of undone track logic. We will not be creating a clear track/delete command for this reason. Thank you for your feedback.

[BrennanSingularSound]

This is not a bug, this is how the Aeros is intended to work and we will not be implementing a clear track command as of now. Please read this similar reply as to why and how you can get similar results to a clear track command:

@BrennanSingularSound

There is no current way to delete a track, the closest form of deletion is re-recording, which does “delete” the original recording once you replace it. We are working on a part deletion option which is detailed on my post to this thread. Any undone layer (base layer/overdub layer) that is re-recorded will ‘delete’ the undone material.

We are working on undone logic so that they behave more like empty tracks, this will make deletion less necessary.

The only way to “delete” currently (as of 3.1.10) is to delete the entire song, which deletes any saved data for that song.

I will tag this as not-a-bug for this reason

Thank you

[Quad]

@BrennanSingularSound Would it be better to move this to feature request (and remove #not-a-bug label)?

It’s a reasonable request, right?

[BrennanSingularSound]

Will keep as is because we will not be implementing it, and a similar request for deleting parts already exists in that sub-section.

Thank you for your suggestion.

[Tim142]

Hi Brennan from Singular Sound. Not having a dedicated clear or delete track option is a pain in the arse. Yes there are work arounds but they are difficult to use and invite mistakes given the way i use the looper. This is especially true live when the pressure is on. It is simply not good enough as a product manager to unilaterally dismiss the numerous requests for this feature. You say you want people to use this product over boss and headrush etc, then take what we ask for seriously or people will give up on loop studio and move on.

I would also like a song lock feature so i cant actdentally mess playback up when using as a backing track player live thanks.

Tim

[NYHC]

Just hold the Undo /Redo until you see “Record” in red again (the track is cleared but the waveform is grey and still on screen)

With the handfree mode , you can delete last entire part aswell

[Quad]

@BrennanSingularSound Now that we have the command menu for stopped and playing, can you add a command to delete a selected track (subject to whatever limitations you need to enforce).

[BrennanSingularSound]

@Tim142

Yes there are work arounds but they are difficult to use and invite mistakes given the way i use the looper.

Hey there,

While I understand it may be confusing, there is no real difference between a fully undone track on the Aeros and a deleted/empty track, for practically all functional purposes you can treat a fully undone track like an empty track minus of course the ability to redo the track layer(s).

If the process of quickly undoing a track when you make a mistake is part of your issue, maybe look into the Cancel Recording setting in the Behavior settings. When enabled, this allows you to use the Play / Stop All button to quickly undo the current recording or overdub with a tap, then simply start the recording / overdub again using the Track button and this will delete the undone layer(s) and start the new recording/overdub.

@Tim142

You say you want people to use this product over boss and headrush etc, then take what we ask for seriously or people will give up on loop studio and move on.

You and all customers are free to use whatever product works best for them, it’s not a competition it is about the art.

While it may seem dismissive to you, I would invite you to consider we have bent backward many times for our customer’s needs and wants it is not common for us to say no without any consideration and without good reason.

This is a limitation of the device, we cannot allow empty tracks between recorded tracks and the lift to change this is not worth it for us.

@Tim142

I would also like a song lock feature so i cant actdentally mess playback up when using as a backing track player live thanks.

Check out and forward all thoughts related to this request here:

Locking track song for playback only

Hi everyone today For a show I have to put in Aeros pre-recorded tracks for some songs. I would like these tracks to be protected, and only playback ? Because if a master track is altered live by mistake, it can become hellish

@Quad

@BrennanSingularSound Now that we have the command menu for stopped and playing, can you add a command to delete a selected track (subject to whatever limitations you need to enforce).

It’s possible we could allow deletion of a track while stopped

However, this would require moving the tracks after it up by 1 to fill in the gap, so for example:
You have 6 tracks and delete track 4, track 5 would become track 4, track 6 would become track 5, and track 6 would be empty. All track fader data would have to move too.

This is not possible in a live situation but would be nice to clean things up if you have many undone/removed ideas between recorded tracks

Thanks for the feedback!

[Quad]

@BrennanSingularSound

However, this would require moving the tracks after it up by 1 to fill in the gap, so for example:
You have 6 tracks and delete track 4, track 5 would become track 4, track 6 would become track 5, and track 6 would be empty. All track fader data would have to move too.

Have you explored other ways to implement this? It could just be a purely display thing (make it look and act deleted) as you have all the behavior the same.

Perhaps an easy fix is to add a flag to each called “deleted” (or make the audio zero length and use that as a flag). Setting this to true makes the track display as empty, prevents undo (which is a minor difference in behavior), and perhaps deletes the audio if that is easy. Suspect that can be done while playing as no data is moving from track to track.

What you say below suggests you have all the behavior done for fully undone tracks to behave the same as a deleted one.

If the following is not 100% accurate, there might be a few places to check this flag in a few other places where these fully undone track behaves differently than a deleted/empty.

@BrennanSingularSound

While I understand it may be confusing, there is no real difference between an fully undone track on the Aeros and a deleted/empty track, for practically all functional purposes you can treat a fully undone track like an empty track minus of course the ability to redo the track layer(s).