meadowbrook, It seems to me you are comparing Boomerang’s 3 (or 4) tracks to Aero’s parts, each with up to 6 tracks. As far as I know, Boomerang has a maximum 4 loops, all accessible at the same time, but doesn’t provide ‘parts’. So, there wouldn’t be an equivalence between Boomerang’s tracks and Aero’s parts. I guess you could look at it as Boomerang having 1 part with up to 4 tracks, and Aeros having up to 6 parts with 6 tracks each. Please let me know if I have overlooked something on my Boomerang and I am only using 4 loops when I could be using more. FYI, I use midi to control the Boomerang like the Side Car, allowing me to use the 4th loop and have all controls available from the Side Car.
You have not overlooked anything on the Boomerang. We’re just conceiving of these two devices in different ways and the companies use completely different terminology for the same thing, which makes the verbal comparison a bit confusing.
So, you’re right, i am “comparing Boomerang’s 3 (or 4) Tracks to Aero’s Parts.” BUT, what Aeros calls “Parts” (and you have called “tracks” on the Boomerang), the Boomerang in its manual calls “Loops”, which on both devices are actually the SAME. I think it makes it easier to think of the Aeros’ “Parts” and the Boomerang’s “Loops” as both describing the same thing - “SECTIONS” of a song - verse, chorus, intro, middle, outro, etc.
To further muddle the mud, where Aeros provides 6 mixable/changeable Tracks to fill out each song Part, the Boomerang only provides Overdubs on their Loops (Parts on Aeros) which they call stackable “Parts!” Boomerang does NOT use the term “Track” at all. Confusing, but actually not when you understand what each term means in terms of what it does.
Aeros enables building a richer sonic landscape by allowing layering of 6 mixable/changeable “Tracks” for each song Part (section). Boomerang only allows unmixable, stackable Overdubs on each Loop (section).
For my style of playing on Aeros I typically lay down all the Tracks for one song Part (section), then go to the next Part (section), and on and on. As I’d cycle through song Loops (sections) on the Boomerang (which I haven’t used for a while), having a button dedicated to each song Loop (section) made it easier to go between different Loops (sections) in any order I chose, whereas with Aeros all that up and down tap dancing is required.
At this point with the Aeros I don’t play around much with bringing different Tracks in and out on each Part (which I realize others might do), thus once once my tracks are set on each Part I don’t have to cycle through them. But I do change Parts multiple times during a song so for me the ability to change Parts without too much tap dancing is much more important than the ability to cycle through Tracks during a song.
I understand this tap dancing is a trade-off for Aeros’ size and greater functionality, but I think there have to be ways (one already suggested) to make the essential action of changing Parts easier to do. Boy, you really made me think about those two devices! Now my brain hurts!
I came from the Boss RC 505, so I always thought that a track was a loop. A part is a collection of loops to me.
Doesn’t matter what they’re called as long as we know what they do. Aeros is coming more from a recording studio mindset where “tracks” are layered. Makes sense to me to use their terminology as i’m in their ecosystem now and will need it to keep my conception of Aeros’ functionality in sync with their updates. Got a new girlfriend now - doing it her way.
Well in a recording studio a loop is a piece of music that goes around in a circle, so even in Aeros it is still a track.
Like I said, doesn’t really matter what they’re called as long as we know what they do and the people we’re communicating with about it understand the same language.
Hey all, let’s try to stay on topic
I’d say there is no parallel b/w Aeros and boomerang because the Aeros is like have 6 boomerangs
Stack = overdub
Track = Track
Part = Part
BUT! Boomerang does not have the ability to have both multiple tracks and multiple parts, it’s one track with endless stacks on 4 separate parts, or 4 tracks each with endless stacks in one part. The Aeros has up to 6 tracks (with endless overdubs) and 6 parts with 6 tracks each. No comparison in my book!
You’ll all be happy to know we’ve begun tinkering with the idea of deleting parts, but we will most likely start off by only allowing the last part to be deleted given all goes well in dev stage. We must create a system for handling parts in between other parts. I will say again that undone logic is being worked on as well and the need to delete a part may be able to be avoided by just re-recording it from scratch.
Let’s try and keep further comments on the topic of the original post!
Thank you guys
Just wanted to say that we will not yet allow deletion of any part, but deletion of the last part from stopped will be allowed in the next beta. You can delete it by tapping on the part circle of that last part on the touch screen.
We will likely include a command to do this in our midi expansion
Hi Brennan, I just got the Aeros-a looper with truly great potential! But I REALLY miss the possibilty (in 6x6) to delete a track or a part in an easy way.
One great way would be if I can just a select a track (like I can select a part via clicking through the dot list) and delete it. Or in the mixer section would also work- but right now I feel that without these detailed delete possibilities the Aeros does not make much sense at all, it is simply to expensive without it. Any chance of seeing this update soon? If not I have to return the Aeros…
Yes. I haven‘t figured out how to select a track though (i.e. How to get back to, say, track 3 when you have been already In track 5 for example… (and without activating record-mide at the same time!) Any tipps for that?
You just hit the “next track” footswitch… For example if you had 3 tracks… and say you’re on track 3 but wanna go to track 2, just tap next track 3 times to get to track 2 and the track you’re on will be green.
I was going to say something similar to @Brockstar, undoing is the best way to “delete” a track that Is unwanted, and the way to easily toggle tracks is by using Next Track like he said. If you tap it again right after it starts a recording on an empty track, it will skip that track and go back to track 1.
Once we expand MIDI, it will be possible to have better control of undoing tracks quickly.
Great! Got it & works for me now! Thanks!
Regarding deleting parts: does it work the same way?
Great to hear!
Deleting parts is a final action, it cannot be undone
@BrennanSingularSound Is there a way to delete recorded tracks without the song audio starting?
This is a live case scenario:
- You start to play the rhythm part of the verse and then loop record it.
- You overdub a second loop on this rhythm part.
- You stop the loops to play a chorus part for a few measures.
- Before going back into the verse you want to delete all verse loops, so you can have everything drop out, then you can record / loop the verse sections again. When you hold down the play/stop the original loop plays before screen prompt “Do you want to delete all tracks?”*
*This is problematic if you finish a song and want to start into another song live. If you hold down the play/stop the original loop blast in the speakers for second before screen prompt “Do you want to delete all tracks?”
I am really hoping this is an easy fix cause I love this device but I am having trouble using it in a live case scenario.
Yes. Goto settings and change the setting for “Play/Stop All” to “Release”. Wasn’t that obvious?
@DavidPackouz How many more shall have to suffer (before the default value for this is changed)? OK to do it only on the new units shipping or when upgrading from a version that doesn’t have this setting already…
@tcr a work around is to lower the master volume to zero before holding down the play/stop all button - I understand this is an extra step, and not ideal - but it will work.
@Quad we plan to build a better hands-free song management system (including clearing a song, starting a new song, etc) after the expanded midi implementation release.
I would very much like to have this. Any idea of when we might get it?
You can already delete the last part by tapping the last part’s icon in the Aeros, it will ask you if you want to delete the part, and you must confirm or cancel.
If you are asking about the MIDI expansion that is coming very soon
Thanks for the feedback!