Loop Behaviour Options

Hi Singular Sound and All,
I have a recommendation below for the Aeros Looper, “Behavior” Menu, for Loop Behavior Options.

Just to let you know where I am coming from, I have been a professional live looper for over 15 years. I do a mix of covers and originals and play on average 2 or 3 gigs a week, for 3 hours at a time. I have around 500 songs in my potential set, many of which I have learned to loop in a particular way.

Until now, I have always used the Digitech Jamman two-pedal looper. But many of you know that this, and other older loopers are “static loopers”, which have outputs that generate a certain amount of hiss. I played a couple of massive gigs recently where the sound engineers were complaining about it, so after some major research, I decided upon and purchased the Aeros Gold.

My style of looping has always been Freeform. I’ve never used a click and have no desire to. Often, I will start with some beatboxing and loop that, then I might overdub a bass line and guitar. I will Undo these for the verse and Redo them for the chorus/solo. I don’t use an external pedal to save pedalboard space. My looping philosophy is mainly to build up the loops as quickly as possible and get the song started. I play for 3 hours at a time, so I don’t want the audience to get bored of me building up loops.

I’ve got my Aeros Gold now, been practicing, obviously for me, 2x2 mode in Freeform Mode is the best place to start. I’ve looked into and adjusted all the relevant settings to me, I think. For example, I was very happy to see there were different Stop Modes, and I haven’t decided which I prefer yet. Another crucial tweak for me was to be able to change the behavior of the “Play/Stop All” button to “Release”, because before doing this, my stopped loops would play for a moment before I could delete them. This would have been no good in a live situation.

In time, I may explore using the Aeros Gold in other ways, but I’m not going to re-learn how to re-loop 500 songs! So, I am in 2x2 Freeform Mode, and I have started exploring using the Second Loop, and I think the following “LOOP BEHAVIOR” options would be so awesome for any live loopers similar to myself:

There should be an option to (i) lock the length of the Second Loop to the length of the First Recorded Loop and (ii) to be able to begin recording the Second Loop immediately upon pressing the button. At the moment, the second loop only begins recording at the beginning of the measure, which to me is incredibly frustrating (and I couldn’t see any way to change that). In this way, the Second Loop would essentially act just like an Overdub, but on a separate channel.

I really hope you can consider these for the next update. I imagine they would not be too complex to action and to me seem very obvious! In time I will be using the Aeros Gold at gigs and in my cover videos instead of the Jamman :slight_smile:

Here’s one to give you the idea:

Have you looked at what you can do with midi as a work around?

Quad I appreciate the response again! Like I said, I have 500 songs that it would take me forever to re-learn how to loop in a different way and pedalboard space is precious. I would love to upgrade my pedalboard with the Aeros Looper much sooner than forever! :slight_smile: I can’t be the only one, and I think my feature request is still solid!

You can do everything that you were asking about on the Aeros…Record immediately ect… Play around wtih the song settings.

I’ve spent hours and no I cannot. The loop length of the second loop is not lockable to the first, nor have I found a way to begin recording 2nd loop immediately. If you would like to actually be specific that would be helpful thanks :slight_smile:

Think tracks and mute/unmute, not parts (and change parts) if you want loop lengths to match.

Thanks again Quad, I have played around with this a bit somewhat. Perhaps I could do more playing around but so far as I can tell, my suggestion would be beneficial to people who loop in a similar style to myself - again for the reasons that - unless I am wrong, from everything I have tried, the second track only begins recording on the first beat, and not whenever you want it to. If I am wrong about that, please let me know where exactly I can change that. If when recording the second track you exceed the length of the first, it then doubles the length. If the length was locked it would continue as an overdub automatically.

Secondly, the way you are referring to involves more button presses on the Aeros vs the technique I am proposing - in amongst all the other pedals that I am pressing under pressure in a live situation (octave/overdrive etc), what with holding down the main button to access the other menu etc. My suggestion would involve less pedal presses on the Aeros and a smoother looping experience for the likes of myself :slight_smile: Again, I think my original feature request would be a solid addition!

Having played more with the Aeros Looper - and still a little stuck in terms of the limitation I have highlighted above (main reason is loop building efficiency), I have a couple of further thoughts about this feature request.

It would make more sense for it to be available in Song Settings, as opposed to Behavior Settings. This would give users the option to lock all track lengths to the length of the opening loop and begin recording other tracks at any point. This way, the feature would only be in the songs we find it useful for. In my case, pretty much all of them!! :slight_smile:

As I understand it, you would need the track lengths locked to the original loop to have the ability to begin recording other tracks in the middle of a loop, and this option could then be hypothetically implemented in both 2x2 and 6x6 modes.

Hey there,

I think you missed the Sync Tracks song settings, here is the excerpt from the manual

Sync Tracks

The Aeros will designate the current longest track in Quantized/Auto mode or the shortest track in freeform as the base track. The base track will decide the behavior of the other tracks around it.

Sync Length:

After the first track is recorded, all tracks will be forced to be proportional to the length of the base track. In Quantized mode, all tracks will be forced to be any whole number multiple (x2, x3, x4, Etc) or whole number unit fraction (1/2, 1/3, 1/4, 1/5, Etc) of the base track.

For example, if the base track is 12 measures long, other tracks will be forced to be either 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 12, 24, 36, etc. measures long depending on when the end recording/start playback command is received. In freeform, all tracks will be whole number multiples of the base track (no fractions allowed).

A new track recording can be started at the beginning of the next measure in Quantized mode or immediately in Freeform so this feature only affects when recording stops and playback begins.

Sync Start and Length:

In addition to the Sync Length rules above, after the first track is recorded in the song part, all new recordings will begin at the next start of the longest track loop in the song part.

This behavior is already possible, if you want things to locked by length and not by start point, set Sync Tracks to Length only.

Let me know if you have any questions, thanks for the post!

@BrennanSingularSound Thanks very much, don’t know how I missed this, I thought I was very thorough with exploring the menu options… but evidently not! Cheers and can I just add that your support on the Singular Sound forum is second to none, legend!

I would also like to thank Quad and Brook who did in fact advise me that this behavior was hypothetically possible, and I will be going home to play with this after my weekend run of gigs here in Scotland :slight_smile: