My OnSong setup with BeatBuddy

Thanks for quick response Ruairiau. I’ll give answer #2 a try.

I agree about the Powerbridge. I worked with it tonight and realized it is not a very good product (at least for my needs). I plan to return it. And I just ordered the Apple iPad Camera Connection interface. :slight_smile:

…Ken.

Hello All,

I’ve been reading all these threads throroughly and I will start to slowly transition from the Infinity Looper to Quantiloop, as it seems to work the same way but with quite some improvements and extras, such as effects. I just ordered the PUC+ and I already use OnSong, which I will be also setting up to send the MIDI signals to the Beatbuddy to change the pattern per song.

I also understand that I will need a Blueboard Rig to control the Quantiloop with my feet, which I will also be getting soon.

Perhaps somebody can tell me if I am correct:

  1. Beatbuddy will be connected to the PUC+ via midi.
  2. Onsong will send command changes for the song selection and tempo, via bluetooth to the PUC+ which will transmit it it to the BB thru the midi cable.
  3. The Beatbuddy will send tempo and start/stop to the Quantiloop, via midi/bluetooth thru the PUC+, as it did before directly to the Infinity looper via physical MIDI.
  4. The Blueboard will also send the commands I decide to use for each pedal, thru bluetooth MIDI with the PUC+.
  5. My guitar out will go to the IK Multimedia iRig Pro Duo in and then the MIDI to lightning cable to the iPad (is there a wireless way to do this?)

If all this is correct, the final question would be how does the looped signal comes out? By that I mean how does it return to effects in my pedalboard or how does it go to the PA? Maybe it’s a dumb question but I honestly can’t figure it out, because the only thing I can think of is using the iPad 1/8 output, which I really would not want to use.

Sorry for the long post and thanks in advance for all your help.

EDIT: I just found out about the IK IRig HD 2, this one has an output that can carry the processed signal out of the ipad, would this one work to carry the loops of the Quantiloop back to my pedalboard for other effects or directly to the PA?

#4 seems off. The Blueboard will run the Quantiloop and could run the scrolling in OnSong, but it transmit directly via Bluetooth to the iPad using the BlueBoard app. And, yes, I think you gotta use the 1/8 out. You could get an inexpensive wireless system to transmit from the iPad to your pedalboard, or from the guitar to your iRig Duo.

@mcanoreagan
Quite a bit of that is wrong, so I’ll do my best to help you out.

  1. Assuming you get the IK Multimedia iRig Pro Duo, you won’t need the PUC+.
  2. The BeatBuddy will be connected to the iRig Pro Duo and OnSong will send commands via it.
  3. Again, forget about the PUC+. Bluetooth MIDI devices simply can’t handle a clock signal. Your clock will sync via the iRig pro duo.
  4. No. The iRig blueboard is a bluetooth MIDI device. It will pair directly to your iPad, it doesn’t need to go through anything else.
  5. You cannot do this wireless due to latency.

“If all this is correct, the final question would be how does the looped signal comes out? By that I mean how does it return to effects in my pedalboard or how does it go to the PA? Maybe it’s a dumb question but I honestly can’t figure it out, because the only thing I can think of is using the iPad 1/8 output, which I really would not want to use.”
The iRig Pro Duo has balanced 1/4" out. Read the specs here: http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigproduo/

Have a look at my video above. The floorboard is a little dark, but my signal chain is simple enough. Going right to left:

Guitar Signal:
Guitar > Tuner > Octaver > iRig Pro Duo > Beat Buddy > Speakers/PA

MIDI Signal:
iPad (USB cable)> iRig Pro Duo > Beat Buddy (clock/start/stop)
iPad (Wireless Bluetooth)> iRig BlueBoard (to send CC commands to control Quantiloop)

Lastly, don’t bother with the IK IRig HD 2; it doesn’t have MIDI. As of right now, the best device on the market in my opinion is the iRig Pro Duo.

i trust @ruairiau on this subject. He has been using his configuration successfully.

FYI…MIDI Link Sync (a $1.00 app) will let you wirelessly connect your iPad to your Beatbuddy without latency issues.

Sorry Ray, but that’s not correct. I might record a video and show what happens as it may help explain the limits of bluetooth MIDI a bit better.

The app corrects the sync latency issues. It works for me without any sync issues. I’ve been using this method for a month now.

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This is the app running and correcting the latency issue

I presume you’re sending the clock from your beat buddy to the iPad? Is this correct? I would presume MIDI link sync would do a good job of dealing with any lost clock pulses.
Do it the other way, send the clock to the beat buddy and crank up the BPM. The PUC+ starts failing around 140BPM.

Yes, that is correct. I’m using the Yamaha MD-BT01, not the PUC. Some of the beats, mostly Rockabilly beats, are more than 140 BPM. The app keeps everything in check…

This is how you setup Quantiloop…
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Sounds like the MD-BT01 is pretty darn good. However, that screen above isn’t exactly a good metric on it’s own. Send the clock from your iPad to the Beatbuddy. Then turn up the BPM gradually and watch the BPM on the Beatbuddy. See how far you get before it starts jumping around.

If I ever run into issues, I will post about it. There are some good instructional videos for MIDI Link Sync on the web that take the program through it’s paces.

I know how midi link sync works, I own a copy. However, I want to know the limits of the MD-BT01. I just told you how to test the MD-BT01 and find out what the limits are, why not just do that now?

This screenshot shows Quantiloop connected to my Yamaha Bluetooth MD-BT01…
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I will do that tomorrow…these are screenshots I had for my own reference. I’m posting now because I can’t get to sleep

Cheers. I’ll see if I can get some video of what happens to the PUC+

I played That’s Alright Momma @ 184 BPM with no issues. It constantly stays in sync…I’ll also try to shoot some video of this and my setup.

Hi @ruairiau, thanks a lot for all the info.

I rushed yesterday and bought the iRig 2 because I thought that all I needed was to transfer the audio from the interface to the iPad and then out to the 1/4 inch output, and that the MIDI was handled through the PUC+. If this does not work I will have to return it.

In order to use MIDI sync between the Beatbuddy and the Quantiloop, I need the iRig Pro Duo connected through the lightning port, correct? There is no other way to send start/stop, tempo, and time signature to the Quantilop.

I would still need the bluetooth interface to be able to connect OnSong to my Beatbuddy for the song selection? Or does that happen too with the iRig Pro Duo?

I am having second thoughts on this setup :frowning: because it seems more complicated than expected. The only thing I don’t like about my Infinity Looper is that it introduces a Hiss in the guitar signal o_O