Taking BeatBuddy To Live Performance - My Optimal Total Experience

I purchased the BeatBuddy last year to accompany and supplement my guitar and vocal. A few months later I purchased the Complete Collection 2022. Being also a drummer helps me to quickly enough select the appropriate beat. Like most drummers, for most songs, I don’t need to hear the song for very long or at all if I have heard it before to find an appropriate beat and I almost instinctly know which beat to play. I am not a purist or a perfectionist so for me close is often good enough. I say this because from what I can see on the forum, there is a tug of war between expectations and capability.

For example, the BeatBuddy Manager - installed it and dove into it; I watched a few videos and got a sense of its capabilities. One of the songs I play is ‘Time Of The Season’ by the Zombies. I did not expect to find the beat for that song in the library so I quickly jumped into the BB Manager and put down the essentials (Bass drum, snare and hats) using the MIDI editor [piano roll type grid] - that’s all I need. For the breaks in the song I use ‘pause’ on the external pedal. It’s not perfect but it works.

I see a lot of discussion on the utility of Auto-pilot which I gather is simply a full song with all the fills and changes built in. For the song Elenore by the Turtles I simply downloaded a MIDI version of it and isolated the drum tracks in a DAW and put that in a blank song in the BB Manager - presto. It is not my first choice because it means I have to be sure I start singing at the right bar and it’s up to me to synchronize myself throughout the song and right to the end. For me music should be fluid and free. I much prefer having the flexibility offered by the BeatBuddy pedal - so whenever I get to the change, I press the pedal so no pressure as to when I get there. For me the experience of the BB and its software has been positive overall. I don’t beat my head on the wall because it fails to meet my specific expectations. I work with what I have mostly.

This brings me to what I wanted to how I ultimately wanted to work/perform and the means I used to get me there. Below are the principal challenges that presented themselves along the way followed by the solutions I adopted:

  1. We all need to match up our songs to a beat that is suitable. I don’t see myself or anyone else bending over and reaching down to look for and tune the pedal into the right beat for the next song every time between every song. I have seen some musicians doing this by placing the pedal off the floor and putting it within easy reach and then using the secondary pedal on the floor to mimic the switches of the main pedal. However, by doing it this way they lose the additional features that the second pedal normally offers like ‘Pause’ for example.

The playlists are one way around this challenge but again, they take away any flexibility to mix it up and play the right song at the right moment. Nothing beats an audience to tell the performer (without words) what they like best. The performer’s job is to cater to that and he/she needs to focus on the audience - not on the gear.

  1. With the extensive library the problem becomes even more daunting. Sorting through the 140 some folders means becoming intimately familiar with the extensive contents. That is certainly not something I want to have to do using the knobs on the pedal either. Those knobs are handy if I want to make an exceptional adjustment so I am grateful for them. So navigating the library needs to happen differently and in the most efficient way possible, and for me that is viewing a list on a monitor/tablet and using a mouse or my finger on a touch screen to scroll through and make selections.

So two goals: Easily navigating the BeatBuddy library to organize my songs and easily navigating the song library for live performance while maintaining the incredible flexibility offered by the BeatBuddy pedal switches.

I have seen in the Forums that a simple list of the complete library was not available. I don’t care about the reasons why that is and I was not about to sit down and cry about it. So I put the library SD card into my PC and extracted the file list. This was only marginally helpful as the folders were text but the files were in hexadecimal (numbers). So I opened up a spreadsheet in Excel and dropped in the Folder names. Then I manually set about to match up the individual songs/beats with the names listed on the BB Manager and on the pedal. It was a long and tedious task but at the end I had the first necessary piece of the puzzle - a full list of the Complete BB library 2022. I intend to offer that list up to members at no charge but more on that at a later date.

The next step was to bring that list up into a DAW and attach the MIDI code that opens the corresponding song/beat from the corresponding folders. I chose Ableton Live to do this. It was another arduously lengthy task that produced a file which can be used to browse the full list of nearly 3,000 beats in the complete library and prep the pedal with the selected beat. The file is one track with nearly 3,000 clips or ‘scenes’ for those who are familiar with Ableton Live. Now there are no MIDI notes or sounds in the file. There are only Command and Control statements (CC and PC). It just works. When I select a scene/clip, it loads that beat into the BB pedal and I am good to go.

I would like to offer that file up to any Ableton Live users (for a reasonable price) who might find this useful - I certainly did when I was matching up the songs of my song list with the appropriate beat. I will be asking the community what a reasonable price might be for that file. More on that later.

So now my list of actual songs (chords and lyrics) is maintained on an app called SongBook Pro by LinkSoft. I added the tempo, folder no. and Song/Beat no. just under the title for each song in the SongBook editor. But I still needed to get to the final step which was to have a song list that selects the beat and tempo automatically. So until then, I would have both the SongBook app and Ableton Live (my song/beat library) open at the same time and cross reference as I worked. Easy enough but still not ideal.

The final goal was to have a song list from which I could choose a song from a screen and it would automatically find the beat and tempo and pass that information on to the BeatBuddy pedal automatically.

I was initially going to create a file in Ableton Live which would be similar to my BeatBuddy Complete library but it would consist of song titles instead of beats with the corresponding Command and Control code which would specify the folder, beat, tempo and volume for each song. So my song list would have been in Ableton Live. I changed course however when I tried to export a MIDI clip/scene from my Ableton Live beat library to a MIDI file and re-import it into a new Ableton Live Song library or list file. Ableton exported and created the MIDI file alright but I could not import that MIDI file back into another Ableton project. Life is like that. It throws curveballs where you least expect it. I mean just think about this for a moment: I can create a MIDI file in Ableton and export it but I can’t import it back in. No disrespect for the fine folks at Ableton Live and most likely this is in part due to something I missed along the way - newbie with Ableton here. If anyone is able to help me with this I would be most appreciative. I use the Studio version 11.

So my fall back was to look at SongBookPro again. I contacted the company LinkSoft and explained what I was trying to do and they explained that the Tablet version of the app can process MIDI code. I was using the Windows Version but the Tablet version will also work on Windows (11 is what I have). So that is almost an even better solution for me right now as my BeatBuddy loads up the correct beat, tempo and volume instantly upon selection of the song in SongBook Pro.

This is probably similar to what onSong does for Mac users but I own PC’s so that one is not going to work for me. The nice thing about SongBook Pro is that it is a one time buy and very reasonable. If you follow up on that you should be aware that it crashed on me and would not reload at one point. I had to uninstall and reinstall and it has been working fine since. I disable the MIDI in settings on SongBook whenever I open Ableton Live because I suspect the crash was a conflict between two MIDI masters (Ableton is master to BB as is SongBook).

So yes a long post and I am happy with the finished products (an Ableton Live list of all the beats in the Complete library [click to select and load to BB] and a song list that also automatically loads to BB [without click] at the same time as opening up a display of the chords and lyrics.

Who knows what tomorrow may bring but I am happy today. Hopefully that was helpful to other members out there who appreciate their BeatBuddy and want to take it to the limit and then to the stage.


Was this the list you were referring to or something else?

Download a List of All 2022 Collection Content

Yes i saw that. But if you look at it carefully you will see the gaping holes. Folders and songs are not numbered, some folders contain a description of how many and type of beat or other. I needed a numbered list that could be used to directly to load beats into BB. As I said in my post I don’t care why there is not such a comprehensive list, I just needed one.

BTW I am not the first person to raise this issue (in the forum) and I have seen many who walked the same path and many of them just melted away in frustration and disillusion.

The type of list I was looking for was available for the Groove Monkey sets. That was useful and made that part of my project a little easier.

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I use Songbook on android & was thinking of adding the midi song selection info to each song. I got the impression that the midi commands are to the song & folder number so I assume that any reorganising of tracks on the sd card would put everything out. Any new tracks might have to be added at the end.

Is that your experience?

That is quite correct Doubletime. The example I show being Elenore by the Turtles is in the last folder on the card. I created and named that folder ‘Original’ and I can simply add new material in that and subsequeat folders. My eyes just are not what they used to be so I need a larger monitor than a phone but I just checked the Android version and yes it does support MIDI. I just don’t know how you go from an Android device to a MIDI cable. ??? On the PC I use a Roland UM-ONE-MK2 interface.

I discuss the SongBook Pro coding choice in the Forum at this location:

Tim McG posted some very useful material on the MIDI coding which you may find useful here:

Hope that helps and good luck !


I just checked on the possibility of controlling the BB entirely from a SongPro for Android song list on an Android phone. I don’t know how well it works but by getting a cable that plugs into your phone at one end and into a USB MIDI interface cable such as the one I use (Roland UM-ONE-MK2, you can effectively do exactly that. I see quite a number of younger musicians who use their cell phone for chords and lyrics - their eyes are in better shape than mine.,. So yes! Totally do-able. It does mean that you can’t have your phone plugged into a charger or power supply however since that is usually the same connector that would be used. A good fully charged battery might do the trick.

I just wanted to specify two things here. If anyone is looking to encode SongBook Pro files with MIDI control commands that controls the BeatBuddy (folder, song, tempo, volume, etc), you do not need to do what I did - build up a database in Ableton Live. I did that because I was intending to use Ableton Live as my go to song list. That may still happen in the future I don’t know.

The other thing is that I am having one issue with SongBook Pro.
It occasionally crashes and once it does it requires a reinstall for it to work again. Not ideal if relying on the app for live performance but perhaps it is simply an error in my code in one or two songs that causes it. I am in the process of trouble shooting that issue. It is great when it works but until I get to the bottom of why it crashes… Until then, uninstall and reinstall is the way to go. Also keeping my eyes open for other solutions to do the same thing. So a word of caution if you plan to go that route. If you have experience with this and have solved it, please let me in on the solution. Thanks.

The problem I was having with the SongBook Pro app was indeed a coding error in the MIDI statement (a value greater than 127). The app kept crashing because on start up it cues up the song that was being played during the last session. So if that song contained an error, it would keep on crashing. I was able to fix the code and restart the app which is a happy ending for me. So the issue was my bad. On with the show!

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@RichiKi Are you going to follow up with how someone might pay you for a copy of both of the tools you have created? (or did I miss it in reading too quickly!)

I was going to follow up yes on both the list (an excel spreadsheet of the 2022 or 21 complete library + Groove Monkey) for free and the Ableton Live file containing the MIDI commands to access the SD card folders in the order they were laid out on the SD card I received when I purchased. Perhaps you could assist in determining what a fair price would be for that file. It certainly makes perusing the card content to find the right beat easier.

For me a fair price would be in the $5-10 range for the Ableton Live file - perhaps up to $20. It would be easy for most to afford and be small part of their initial investment. There are some ecommerce services like leanpub that allow you to set a minimum and recommended price and leave it up to the buyer (e.g Continuous Delivery… by Dave Farley [Leanpub PDF/iPad/Kindle]) . I think a fair bit of anyone’s opinion will be based on their financial situation, how much time they think it will save them, and wanting to express gratitude and provide reward for someone like you making the effort to do this. The other factors are the prices of the other components they have in their overall kit

Hi Alan,
I am just now setting up a storefront on Payhip where I will be offering the Ableton Live Set for $5 and the Excel listing for free. Prospective buyers of the Set are instructed to use the list to veryify that it matches their setup otherwise it will not work. I have not tested to see what happens when a playlist is created on the BB. I know this usually creates a folder above the folders list but I am not sure if this changes the folder number sequencing below the playlist. If it does this could be a problem for those who rely on playlists.

Finally it is always possible to use the Ableton Live Set to access a BB SD card that has been modified. This will however mean that the folder number references will need to be changed on any clips that have been displaced by the changes. That is fairly easy to do but it could be a lengthy process as there are close to 3,000 beats on that Complete Library Card.

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The files are now available here on PayHip.

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first sale!

First customer. Thank you Alan. Let me know how this works for you. I am anxious for any feedback you might offer.

Thanks for the effort. A well thought out and informative post. I dont use Ableton but will investigate Songbook pro. I’ve downloaded your free file and purchaed your Ableton file as a token of my appreciation. Thank you.

Thank you ‘Awesome Andy’. I appreciate the gesture and I hope that you will be able to benefit from the files - maybe a friend who has Ableton can export the clips to individual MIDI files for you which you could then use. But I think you will be happy with the SongBook Pro app. Just be aware that the app, on start up opens the last song you were working on - if one of the MIDI fields contains an error in that song, it will crash the app. Trying to open the app to fix the error is impossible because it tries to reload that file and crashes repeatedly. My workaround is to have a Windows version of the App (no MIDI implementation in that one) which I can go into and fix the error that is causing the crash. Then the touchscreen version (with MIDI) will be able to open.

I just tested adding beats to a playlist to see if this affected the Ableton Live Set order. It has no effect and everything works as it should which is great news. It means eventhough playlists appear at the top of the folders list on the BB, this does not change the folder numbers - Folder 1 is still the same folder as when the playlists were not populated.

Super! Thank you for sharing your experience!